00:24:29	Christopher Yukins:	Program materials are here: https://publicprocurementinternational.com/webinar-joint-us-eu-green-procurement/
00:32:10	Holly Elwood:	FYI here is the Framework that USEPA uses to assess private sector standards and ecolabels for possible inclusion in our Recommendations of Specifications, Standards, and Ecolabels:  https://www.epa.gov/greenerproducts/framework-assessment-environmental-performance-standards-and-ecolabels-federal
00:45:12	Holly Elwood:	Will these slides be available afterwards?
00:47:27	Caroline Nicholas:	Gian Luigi makes a very good point - especially if procurement officials have the discretion to say sustainable goods and services are too expensive!!
00:48:05	Christopher Yukins:	Slides are already on the program page, at the top: https://publicprocurementinternational.com/webinar-joint-us-eu-green-procurement/
00:49:31	Christopher Yukins:	There's a Law360 article on the program page, at the bottom, which discusses the possible bid protests (challenges) that may arise from the new US rule. https://publicprocurementinternational.com/webinar-joint-us-eu-green-procurement/
00:51:23	Jean Grier:	Can (and how) the Joint Catalogue be used as a catalyst for work in the WTO procurement committee on sustainability?
00:52:23	Rafał Cieślak:	There is always a question of affordability. So the answer is burned in the mandatory legal regulations and „green” requirements. However, in case of eg. energy efficiency and RES there are always prospective cost savings that can encourage buyers to reach for green procurements.
00:55:17	Bogna Krysinska:	Definetely a good idea Kate to use the work done in the WTO GPA conext
00:57:57	Shaun Scott:	@Chris ... you just preempted my question on methods and GPP. My question was a more open one on whether there were any methods (Competitive Dialogue/Negotiations) that were best practice methods for GPP.
00:58:09	Joao Almeida:	Perhaps in some areas (some categories of goods, services and works/infrastruture) the emphasis should be on regulating production and trade, or the introduction into trade (standards and mandatory minimum requirements) rather than voluntary adherence. Even the use of life cycle costing may not be enough to overcome fiscal constraints (even if we adopt, as we should , a multi-year budgeting perspective for capex).
00:58:50	Jellie Molino:	A follow-up question to that of Jean Grier, while the catalogue is good to know, in my experience working in developing countries, when I shared GPP experience from the US and the EU, the first response is that "we are interested what is happening in those countries, they are very advance, we need experience from countries from similar economies, not high-income countries," is it possible in include in the catalogue a part like how other countries may learn from this? Or any example that developing countries had used any of those experience in promoting GPP in their countries :)
01:00:06	Jellie Molino:	"we are not interested"
01:02:01	Joao Almeida:	"mandatory approach" does not rule out phasing-in/out transitional periods, so that competition side effects as highlighted by Gian Luigi can also be tacked as we give the industry time to adapt.
01:02:34	Christopher Yukins:	I taught at a UN facility a few weeks ago -- there was a striking difference between students (mid-career procurement professionals) from developing countries and their counterparts from the EU -- the latter were much more actively engaged on green public procurement (GPP) issues, as Jellie Molino (a recognized GPP expert, and a dear former student) points out.
01:03:44	Robert Anderson:	Thanks to Chris, Kate, Lucian and Gian Luigi for a really useful and interesting discussion. The Catalogue is a major step forward, but there remains much to be done.
01:04:39	Christopher Yukins:	The "phase in" approach suggested by Joao Almeida has long been used in the WTO Government Procurement Agreement, to allow (for example) developing nations to "phase in" the GPA bar against offsets.
01:06:57	Robert Anderson:	See also review article on the Catalogue by Antonella Salgueiro and me forthcoming in the Public Procurement Law Review (no surprises, covering similar ground), and coming discussion at the Nottingham conference.
01:09:27	Christopher Yukins:	The Nottingham conference that Rob very kindly references is the Global Revolution in Public Procurement conference in June -- many of those on this webinar (audience and panelists) will be there.
01:10:04	Jean Grier:	In practice, the GPA Committee has allowed very few phase-in measures. It may wan/need to consider more liberal use of such measures to attract developing countries.
01:13:53	Robert Anderson:	Agreed on Jean’s important point. Separately, I wonder if GPA accession negotiations could be used to encourage and incentivize adoption of GPP methods and targets?
01:17:27	Caroline Nicholas:	Chris - in typical UN style, you have to read through all the preparatory materials to find out the story.  Good fidder for PhD students!!
01:19:15	Soala Warmate:	@Jellie - The reason why many developing countries do not prioritize Green Public Procurement (GPP) because it can be costly to implement and they have limited financial resources, most of which are controlled by political elites. However, the acceptance of GPP it could improve, if multilateral development partners make GPP requirement a condition for engaging with or supporting such developing countries on certain support.